Worth Your Weight

May 15, 2008

Think you have a “double chin” and hate it?

Filed under: fat acceptance — worthyourweight @ 11:40 pm

Let The Judgment of Paris wash away those negative thoughts. At first, I was almost put off by the name of the site and forum because “judgment” carries some negative connotations [ETA: I should have noted especially Paris’], but I’m glad I forged ahead because I just happened upon this thread about “that most sensual, most seductive of all facial features, the ‘slight rise’ of a ‘slope towards the throat,’ which Renaissance writers held to be the epitome of feminine beauty” and was able to view an often maligned and despised part of a woman’s body from a new perspective.

I hope I’m not easy to brainwash or anything, but I felt happier after reading through that post and the comments. I could actually see where they were coming from, and that’s a first for me when it comes to the dreaded “wattle.” I can’t wait to go exploring the rest of this site and its forum. Here’s to fresh (or restored) ways of looking at things and people …

 

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15 Comments

  1. I read that thread, too. Although I also found it refreshing to read an appreciation for the double chin (and other things) I also thought the site was a little… porny? I don’t know. As much as I want fat acceptance to be the norm, I don’t think the way to do it is by fetishizing fat people. And also? That woman is not fat. Wevs.

    Comment by jamboree — May 16, 2008 @ 2:01 am

  2. Granted, I haven’t had the chance to really peruse the site, but the two threads I did read didn’t strike me as pr0ny or fetishy. Hrmm. I like the talk I’ve seen so far there about returning to more classical aesthetics. I’m not sure which woman you’re saying isn’t fat. In the thread I linked to there are many, many pics of women, most of whom are fat.

    Of course I agree that fetishizing fat is not a way to advance FA. Not at all. I want fat to be seen as a normal variation, not an aberration. But I’m not sure (yet) that’s what The Judgment of Paris is doing. I’ll definitely keep your comment in mind when I do look at more of the site.

    Comment by worthyourweight — May 16, 2008 @ 2:42 am

  3. Sorry, by “that woman” I meant the girl who won the top model contest thingy. I don’t watch tv. :)

    Comment by jamboree — May 16, 2008 @ 3:32 am

  4. I read the thread you posted about as well as another thread on the same subject and found these quotes interesting…

    “the cheeks must be fair. Fair is a color that, besides being white, also has a certain luster, as ivory does; while white is that which does not glow, such as snow.”

    and

    “The hair, then . . . should be fine and blonde, sometimes similar to gold, sometimes to honey, sometimes like the bright rays of a clear sun, wavy, thick, abundant, long. ”

    So it seems that if you didn’t have white skin and blond hair, you weren’t pretty.

    Comment by Guest — May 16, 2008 @ 3:41 am

  5. ah, judgment of paris. Ive flitted on and off that site for a while now, and I have to say it tends to annoy me with the pompousness of some of the writing, but porny? never really got that impression.

    Not exactly the forefront of feminism, but i find it refreshing to see a womans figure appreciated without the ‘YEAH BABY I’D HIT THAT.’

    Comment by apricotmuffins — May 16, 2008 @ 4:53 am

  6. I like the site, so far. Here’s a quote by the administrator on Whitney’s America’s Next Top Model Win:

    “We also must congratulate Tyra Banks and America’s Next Top Model. Tyra has made many body-positive statements in the past, but nothing that she has ever done for size-celebration matches what she did today: giving a deserving plus-size model a win on ANTM.

    “If, as a result, even a few young women become comfortable with their naturally curvy figures, and avoid eating disorders, today’s program could actually save lives. It will definitely improve the toxic conditions of modern culture.”

    Comment by BigLiberty — May 16, 2008 @ 5:48 am

  7. You know what would have helped that thread’s point?
    Images from the time period in question.
    I know the slight double chin look was considered fashionable well into the nineteenth century, at least. My best friend got married and was lamenting how her beautiful hairstyle seemed to call attention to her double chin, but honestly, she looked like the heroine of an Austen novel. (Only, less “plain”.)

    I think the first commenter’s point may have been that a lot of these “plus-size” models are not actually larger than average, and I admit that annoys the crap out of me as well– a woman slightly smaller than average is considered “plus size” because our standards are so skewed. But still. Whatever.

    If the fans of super-skinniness can have prominent clavicles as their unfakeable hallmark of beauty… then let the normal ones of us have our double chins.

    Meanwhile, I’m going to go look at some Renaissance Italian paintings to see what *their* ideal necks looked like.

    Comment by fattitties — May 16, 2008 @ 11:18 am

  8. You can’t post there unless you are in complete agreement with the page owner’s opinions, either. I once tried to post on a thread that was all about how feminine larger women are, and how we look best in feminine clothes. I said that I prefer more androgynous-looking clothes, especially for work, and that I’m not fond of frilly or overly detailed things. I like clothes that are tailored to fit me well (I don’t want to hide my curves) but I don’t want to look like a little girl, either. The post promptly disappeared. I think that he objectifies larger women and sees our bodies in the context of an outdated world view with rigid gender roles. Read some of his essays. They’re not exactly feminist. But, it’s a interesting site if you can stomach the misogynistic undertones.

    Comment by Deeleigh — May 16, 2008 @ 1:44 pm

  9. Guest,
    “So it seems that if you didn’t have white skin and blond hair, you weren’t pretty.”

    Unfortunately this is still the case currently! I mean I personally don’t believe that, but the mainstream sure does.

    apricotmuffins and Deeleigh,
    Yeah, a little disappointed here if the site’s misogynistic. Here I thought I’d stumbled upon a great fat-positive site … Oh, well. The thread I linked to at least is helping me not to hate my wattle LOL I posted about it in hopes it could affect others the same way.

    Comment by worthyourweight — May 16, 2008 @ 4:25 pm

  10. I agree with fattitties (?! lol) that some paintings from the period would be helpful. I will admit I don’t like my under-chin fat – probably if you saw it you’d know why. It isn’t like some nice slope they’re describing. And I had one of those faces that was really only pretty when it was kind of emaciated. Some people have the kinds of faces that are all kinds of pretty while fat, but not me. (And that’s OK; not everyone is “pretty.”) But it’s nice to see that not everyone hates double chins just on principle. And the site seems cool – a little esoteric or overblown but pretty cool. Thanks WYW.

    Comment by AnnieMcPhee — May 16, 2008 @ 4:35 pm

  11. AnnieM,
    Thanks for the link. That *is* nice.

    I know what you mean. At first I was like “slight slope” WTF? But then I looked at all the pics and realized that there was more variation there than the description seemed to say.

    “And that’s OK; not everyone is ‘pretty.'”

    Am I totally out of my mind for thinking they can be? Only if they desire to … a commenter on another post here made the v. good point that everyone has the right not to be pretty.

    Comment by worthyourweight — May 16, 2008 @ 5:16 pm

  12. All I can to that is I really love my boyfriend’s double chin although he hates it. So if I ever get one, I’ll try not to think of it as a bad thing. :D

    Comment by Zilly — May 16, 2008 @ 5:20 pm

  13. Zilly, you made me smile. I was thinking of how the referenced thread leaves guys out, but what can you expect from a forum devoted to womanly beauty? I’m glad you commented. I think guys’ wattles can be cute, too.

    Comment by worthyourweight — May 16, 2008 @ 5:27 pm

  14. Glad you liked it – impressionist art has always been my favorite I think.

    It made me smile too, thinking of Zilly going to the double-chin shop and picking one out lol.

    “Pretty” is kind of pretty much subjective; what I think is pretty isn’t what someone else thinks of as pretty. My husband thinks Sandra Bullock is beautiful, but she does nothing for me. Where I think Nicole Kidman is beautiful and Demi Moore, and they aren’t his cup of tea. And then there are people who only a few others on earth will think they’re pretty (like yours truly – and that’s really just my family lol) and that’s IMO ok; just how things go. Whereas a whole LOT of people seem to think the Pamela/Loni Anderson look of bleach-blonde, huge boobs, and leathery-tanned skin is just gorgeous – to me it’s a repelling look. But…it’s all too subjective. I think with us all being so different and finding different things pretty, there’s no way everyone can be pretty. But since prettiness isn’t a prerequisite to being treated as a valuable human being worthy of all the dignity and rights thereof, it probably isn’t a profitable thing to overemphasize. Someone certainly doesn’t have to be “pretty” by any definition to be a kick-ass person.

    Comment by AnnieMcPhee — May 19, 2008 @ 10:25 pm


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